Terrorism and our attitude
Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 6:35 pm
So Islamabad rocked with a massive blast at Marriot hotel which resulted killing of dozens of people within moments. So whether it’s Angor Adda and other tribal areas where our ally US is busy to kil our civilians and security people or suicide attacks in various cities of Pakistan by Al-qaeda or any other enemy groups from both side of borders, Pakistanis are being killed, Muslims are being killed. First in the name of US-USSR war, then sectarian conflicts. After that we faced MQM vs Army war in 90s. In the beginning of this century we were forced to deal with so called war on terror by associating everything with a fictitious orgnization Al-qaeda.
The question is, what have we been doing? What I see we always became victim of propaganda which at times turned true too but then we usually ignored to figure out whether the things which are told to us are actually true or not.
In last two decades when every bad incident happened, we were told that Ghair Mulki Hath is involved. Usually that ghair mulki hath(external hand) was India. I say if India is really involved then why don’t we have balls to say it clearly while our all governments say that they had proof too? When people asked tu it was said it’s due to national interest.
In 90s we Karachiite dealt with bloodiest war between faschist MQM and Army+PPP. Yeah same PPP which will feed MQM again in Zardari government. Who suffered most during this war? we poor citizens. News papers kept feeding us that Army doing all this. Altaf kept convinving us that Punjabi Army is against us(karachiites) despite of MQM was established by Punjabi Army of that time. We acted like idiots and believed what we were told by our government.
In this century we have got two toys which are used to amuse us. First Alqaeda and second Taliban. Now whatever happens in Pakistan it is associated with these two just like we used to do with India. Same tactic different paremeters and offcourse same stupid awam. Our so called intellectuals who spend most of the time in drawing rooms rather facing the reality get ready to pump up ignorant and illetrate awam of our country.
How long will we keep suffering due to our own ignorance and stupidity. I believe that biggest threat for Pakistan is not US,Taliban,Army or any political government but our own ignorance which we ain’t willing to get rid of.
Categories: Extreemism, Ignorance, pakistan, fascism, Nothing last forever, Islamabad, Musharraf
on September 20th, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Allah will deal with those who committed this action. If the Taliban did it, then it goes to show what type of pressure they have been under from constant attacks on their homes from all four sides that they have become very irrational. May Allah relieve the difficulties of all Muslims.
Looking at the Zardari speech and his pledge (for which he needs support) for fighting the “enemies”, a very interesting history prespective should be mentioned.
There were bombings in Dublin, Ireland in 1970’s precisely when the Irish parliment was contemplating severe/unjust laws to combat terror. But, such laws were difficult to pass for the government until the news of the bombings spread, the IRA was blamed and lo and behold, the laws were passed! Later, it was found that this was a conpiracy by the British intelligence on the behalf of the Loyalists.
Today’s bombing surely will give Zardari more support than before.
on September 21st, 2008 at 7:01 AM
Adnan,
i understand ur pain, when ur ppl die, it hurts. i also understand ur feeling that people are using the current crisis to further their goals. thats what politicians do, but that does not mean the crisis is not true. indeed the taliban and others like lashkar and jaish etc were used by the army, US and politicians in the past, thats a fact. all means of projecting power / issues that incite ppl will be used by politicians, but that does not discredit the issues themselves. the current issue is indeed linked to a very important question - who does pakistan belong to? do u subscribe to the rule of taliban? or the murderous ideology of LET? do u approve of their methods? these issues are REAL too. while getting indignat abt the politicians, i request u not to overlook the real issues as well.
on September 21st, 2008 at 7:25 AM
And I request you not become part of Western media propaganda who never revealed he evils of their own society.
Talibans are not more evil than what past govt and current govt was. They were not angels either. Talibans were despised more by Western countries and by our so called liberals because they tried to implement Shariah in Afghanistan, surely they did mistake when they flew with emotions and did few blunders but that’s also true that there was more peace in afghanistan in their area than current govt. There was no opimium crop in Taliban era and more on that, A famous British journalist become Muslim in their captivation. You can read her book to know REAL face of Talibans rather what West pours in all the time.
I would not mind Talibans rule over my country as long as they bring peace and try to follow Islamic rules for governance.
on September 21st, 2008 at 8:20 AM
The writer of this blog is the biggest idiot of all. Taleban and Alqaeda are paid organisations of anti-Pakistan and anti-Islam forces with a mission to destablise Pakistan and defame Islam. How many more suicide bombings and innocents’ bloodshed will it take for you to realise their true motives? Those who support Taleban and Alqaeda including you will InshaAllah burn in Jahannam very soon.
on September 21st, 2008 at 8:29 AM
Adnan you may see your mother and sister being beaten in public when Taleban would rule over this country, but no one else will!
on September 21st, 2008 at 9:35 AM
lol
Pakiboy,why are you ruining your roza? ehehhe
My friend if cursing me helps you to getrid of frustration then do this on road!
be thankful of me that me( a Taliban) didn’t moderated out your comment. Try to say same on Adil or any other liberal’s blog, you would not be able to go thru at all.
Pakistan is already destabilized and one don’t need to do it anymore due to lame policy of all governments.
you are forgiven for being another product of Western propaganda. May Allah guide you.ameen
have fun
on September 21st, 2008 at 9:51 AM
I kinda agree to Pakiboy. Pakistan is destablized, thanks to the “lame” policies of govts. AND Islam is defamed too, thanks to the fascists extremists, Talibans or whatever, and their supporters.
on September 21st, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I use my own judgement, so don’t accuse me of falling for someone’s propaganda. i can say exactly the same abt u, but its insulting.
how kind u r towards the taliban and their ‘few mistakes’. and how many schools for girls have they bombed this year? 100 plus? a few emotional mistakes - its abt ideology. beating people up for not keping a beard? is it sharia? asking non muslims to wear a yellow band - nazi style? bamian destruction - ? what next the sphinx? the persecution of shia and hazara - is this the sharia u want? they have never been sorry for what they’ve done and they want to do exactly that now too. u r too biased to see it - u have every right to be biased and like the taliban - but don’t baselessly accuse me of falling for propaganda.
on September 21st, 2008 at 6:03 PM
visit this post:
http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/12/18/musharrafs-talibans-in-action/
Why do I curse tribesman when educated liberal did all with women in Pakistan? check the pics over there
on September 21st, 2008 at 6:11 PM
@Ga: your “own” judgment is based on what yo read in daily media reports that’s it. I don’t oppose someone just because I hate em, I find reasons to oppose someone. If I oppose Talibans, I should oppose so called educated Pakistani officials and their supporters as well.
Read the book by British journalist Riddley who got embraced Islam in Taliban captivation. Talibans are not saints but so do others? Are Americans angels? are Indain officials not fascists and our enemy? Come on come out of dream world. Atleast Talibans brought peace in their era and eliminated opium from Afghanistan and even UN admitted it. Then I read this in post Taliban era.
Decide yourself what’s more worst.
on September 21st, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Adnan bhai,
tussi great ho. What a genius you are. I am sorry for myself that Why I couldnot find your blog earlier. I have been blown away by your reasons. You have opened my eyes. I don’t know where you live, otherwise I would have come and hug you. You should have contacted the authorities in Islamabad and should have told them your’s conspiracy theory. I think any one with a head on his or her shoulder should have listened to you.
I just want a say one more thing. I think in the blogging world, only you and Teeth Maestro are the only reasonable bloggers.We need you guys in Islamabad. After that Inshallah Pakistan jo ha woh chaand per ja pouhanchay ga.
on September 22nd, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Adnan you can’t escape the truth just because western media is saying it. Truth is just truth. Western (or eastern or whatever media) is just showing the tip of the iceberg. These religious fascists are far more evil than they are portrayed. Yvonne Riddley was probably spared because she was a whitie. Otherwise how come they be good to foriegn women when they beat their own women in public (and hang them and slaughter them too).
on September 22nd, 2008 at 7:19 AM
some ppl here are totally driven by propaganda against taliban.If that was the case, why Yvonne ridley acccepted islam, after being captured by taliban?
Why are people in afghanistan, still ( yeah STILL) consulting sharia courts of taliban?
Why is Us govt. been restrited in Kabul after 5 years?
why People want them back?
WHY WHY WHY?
“Those who support Taleban and Alqaeda including you will InshaAllah burn in Jahannam very soon.”
LoL.. really? how come u know that?
on September 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 AM
I’ve not read her book, but i’ve read her views on killing innocent childred by chechens, and i don’t want to read her book. she’s not become muslim, she’s directly become taliban.
i’d rather have opium than having non muslims wear yellow ribbons - nazi style or destroying the bamiyan buddha or persecuting shia and hazara. u know why? because opium is not done in the name of religion, but all those horrible acts ARE. and don’t use the false argument of saints, nobody is a saint here, does not mean i support a monster, just because the monster chants the name of my religion. and abt the picture of police beating women, that is deplorable, but how does that justify the first picture???
on September 22nd, 2008 at 2:20 PM
that is deplorable, but how does that justify the first picture???
telling you that hypocrisy is not something which is interesting. What is attributed with Taliban is found everywhere then why dont you have balls to condemn it? I find bloody Indian torturing and raping Muslim women. Why so called intellectuals like you raise voice? You guys won’t because Muslims are receiving end. yeah right!
I’ve not read her book,
when ignorance is bliss, it folly to be wise. BEtter you are left alone my friend. Keep participating, someone might like to get engaged with you, not me!
on September 22nd, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Indians, Americans, Israelis, are doing bloodshed and doing barbarism NOT in the name of Islam, Prophet, Quran, Allah, and Shariat, but Taleban ARE. They are playing their dirty game in the name of our beloved DEEN and our BELOVED PROPHET (S.A.W.). That is why I know they will burn in Hell Insha Allah.
on September 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Because whats normal for taliban is transgression for other governments. when police use force, u think liberals don’t make noise? who are pushing for police reform? Baitullah? developing countries become developed, standard of police and crown control indeed becomes better - like its become in the west. yes WEST.
by not reading a crazy woman’s book does not make me ignorant. there are millions of books, u r reading them selectively. and ignorants can still be forgiven, but what abt ppl who KNOW yet are in denial abt the hundreds of schools for girls bombed THIS year??? the idea of doing this is not to shouting the other into believing what one believes in, but to exchange ideas. may be i got some from u and maybe u got some from me.
and abt muslims being at receiving end, hey its MUSLIMS at the receiving end of taliban too
on September 22nd, 2008 at 5:35 PM
@Ga: lol. My boy you like to accept what you want rather what’s reality. You arenot my cup of tea however you are as free as I am to share my views. Keep sharing your opinions. They are welcome.
@Pakiboy: LOL because they do terrorism by misinterpreting their own holy books. LOL you are funny!
on September 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 PM
@pakination: thanks for such a cute sarcasm. Aur sahri me kia khaya tha? ya baghair sahri k roza thaa?
on September 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Adnan open your eyes dude and you will watch the ugly face of your favourite satanic cult, the Taleban and Alqaeda. Dont know what anyone had in sehri but I do know that these satanic Mullahs did iftar on Saturday on dozens of Muslims’ flesh & blood.
on September 22nd, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Ga, hats off to you dude. Good work!
Adnan, hats off to you too. Allah aap ko bhi hidayat day. Insha Allah one day you shall see the difference between Masjid and Masjid-e-Zarar, when Bin Ladin and B. Mehsud will be standing shoulder with Bush on a Aircraft Carrier under the banner…MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
on September 22nd, 2008 at 6:56 PM
@Pakiboy: It’s so funny that you guys refer Islam for your own will and when you see something unpleasent you dont like to refer Quran. I know you might not have idea about Masjid zarar thing and where it was mentioned in Islamic sources(Quran and Hadith) but since you had listened from so called intellectuals on media you are quoting here.
shoulder with Bush on a Aircraft Carrier under the banner…MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
O Boy that’s my point. You guys at one side praise Bush while other side you oppose someone just because he has beared. First learn to make difference between Taliban in Afghanistan and tribesmen fighting for survival. I respect those guys who are willing to save their land from US aggresstion. Hato me Chorian nahi pahni huwi.
Yes Muslims always suffered due to traitors , be it Musharraf or Mehsud, no difference at all.
on September 22nd, 2008 at 11:49 PM
you are welcome Adnan bhai. Thanks to Allah sahri aur aftari kaafi achi chal rahi hai. Waisay I am always be a admirer of fictional writing but bhai you are the best. I have read Ibne Safi, Ishtiaq Ahmad, Robert Loodlum, and Dan Brown but bhai your’s fiction is totally different. I think you are more inspire by Mohiudin Nawab(I hope I have spelled his name right if not then I am sorry to him). I heard his novel is still going strong in Suspence digest.
Keep it up the good work. May Allah give you the strength to write more.
on September 23rd, 2008 at 6:23 AM
Who is ‘u guys’ Adnan? when have i praised bush? why must u try character assassination instead of debating issues? just because u did not hear what u wanted to from me?
pakiboy is right abt bush and baitullah being the same. even u sounded like bush - ‘either u r with us or against us’. i hope u see that.
on September 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 AM
I have seen some liberal facists first time here adnan.
It seems that they are sick of U. Have u stolen their Buffalo?
If not, they must not have drunk over several weeks.
They dont even deserve a reply. its better to write a few new and good posts
on September 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 PM
@PakiNation: some idiots back in 70s also considered it fictitious that India would take away a part of Pakistan and now that fiction is reality. Keep living in fools paradise and have fun over there.
@ga: lol. Darling discussions are proceeded with those who have ability to listen others. You have made up your mind that you are right that is, Talibans are evil hence if someone refuses you, he is not credible for you. I frankly don’t have time to deal with such people, kind of wasting time. Instead of I would like to utilize that time some where else.
the point is, as long as one is favoring West, he’s credible so today if I ignorantly start buying theories of Western media then you guys would start favoring me. I smell Irony. I don’t like to fall in propaganda just because it suits me. Have fun
on September 23rd, 2008 at 3:25 PM
I’m sorry, what ‘reality’ did u reveal to me abt the 130 bombed girls’ schools this year? i think i missed that part.
on September 23rd, 2008 at 4:53 PM
e abt the 130 bombed girls’ schools this year?
what’s source of Info and what are evidences given to you that you concluded that “Taibans” did that?
you said you don’t believe in propaganda. Let’s play with you now. come on so what’s your source? CNN,Bloomberg,CBS or ummm CIA who once whined about WMD too?
on September 24th, 2008 at 11:13 AM
so u don’t dispute the shools were destroyed? good, thats a start.
now read what taliban commanders have to say abt it - in a pakistani newspaper (albeit english and i know u gonna say sold to the west :))
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=130314
on September 24th, 2008 at 1:15 PM
@ga: you missed something son. Where on earth I said Pakistani media is commendable or Pakistani papers don’t refer western media.
As far as Pakistani papers are concerns, the other day of Marriot blast a govt official said it was done by Alqeda, the 2nd day other official said it was done by Indian RAW and they even found proof.
In short, you are just trying to tell me that even if your lil one pees in pants the one must accuse Taliban. hehe this attitude is not new for me.
have fun. Lets agree to disagree.
on September 24th, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Cut the crap dude, if the taliban commander did not say that, show me his denial. common, don’t just make baseless devoid of proof or reason conspiracy theories.
i have a tablighi friend, he talks like this. no head or tail - blind belief.
on September 24th, 2008 at 4:12 PM
‘In short, you are just trying to tell me that even if your lil one pees in pants the one must accuse Taliban. hehe this attitude is not new for me.’
BS. i’ve not said that, so since u have nothing to add / show as evidence, u r just into putting words into my mouth. lame.
on September 24th, 2008 at 6:24 PM
@ga: LOL! Bhai you made me a Tableeghi. May Allah bless you for this Dua. I am not one as yet. :-). No wonder you don’t have any tableeghi friends *grin*
nothing to add / show as evidence
When evidences are shown, you reject them by declaring crazy, ignorance. Ironically, you send me media links and ask me to believe in it while role of media is quite clear, a news is refuted next day and you ask me to believe in it. You are entertaining.
lame
When I am lame then why do you ask me anything? WHy don’t you grab some wise like you? You want me to speak your language while I know you want me to say what you want. I prefer not to get engaged with you. you are free to think whatever you want however I would quote what Imam Shafai(RA) said once. I believe in it rather continue discussion which doesn’t result anything.
I debated a scholar and beat him. Then I debated a layman and that layman beat me - he had no knowledge of the principles and texts. I had nothing to say
Keep coming and sharing your thoughts. You will never be censored. tata
on September 25th, 2008 at 9:03 AM
Sir, proof has to be impartial / factual. it can not be a talibani telling us how good talibanis are! that lady is not the first one, stockholm syndrom is well known. her views abt chechens killing children are also well known. her OPINIONS are evidence :), but public statements of well known talib leaders (which are easy to disprove by showing their denial) are not evidence!
see how u’ve sacrificed reason at the altar of rage. i hope u find peace. tata.
on September 26th, 2008 at 9:37 AM
hahahah stockholmsyndrome. I think all of liberal facists are suffering from this thing. “US stockholmsyndrome”
why blame her?
I dont understand how u justify white dogs killings muslims but when muslsim do it as a reaction, u call it brutality? Remember 9/11 was done by MOSAD. Its a bitter fact
on September 26th, 2008 at 2:26 PM
In the name of allah, don’t be dishonest and put words in my mouth. i never justified any such thing, and i don’t justify ANYONE killing children. Why must u lie if u r so confident that u r right in everything u say? look for the answer.