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Malik’s Controvery: What’s wrong with Indians?

It seems it has become a national habit of Indians to create a fuss out of anything which is associated with Pakistan and they try their level best to defame Pakistan by every means yet they say , we accept Pakistan from the bottom of heart, whether its Feroz Khan, Indian Parliment case,offending Pakistani director and now Shoaib’s statement after final of T20 between India and Pakistan. What Pakistani captain said was something like:

I want to thank you back home Pakistan and where the Muslim lives all over the world

Everyone specially in so called secular India got pissed when Malik assumed that Pakistan means Muslims of world. Offcourse Malik made a mistake but not intentional specially when level of English skills of Malik and former captains is not a hidden secret. The other important thing is that Pakistan won its 1st world cup in 1992 and that was month of Ramadan. Pakistani team was again playing finals in month of Ramadan which is a holy month for Muslims. Beside that, Indian muslims have always been blamed to support Pakistani due to religion factor and in past so many times Muslims suffered due to same reasons. Keeping in mind all such things, if one makes such stupid statement then it doesn’t look good from the nation who just won a cup. Instead of showing glory and enjoying moments, Indians got another excuse to defame Pakistan. First time I heard voices agianst Malik’s statment on a Pakistani left-wing website where few Pakistani minorities(as they claimed) and then Indians started making issue of it. Indian media started bullshiting like they did in past, giving the impression of so called secularism in India. The most lame and ignorant article was written by Amit Bhatta Charya of Times of India. He writes.

When Shoaib Malik was appointed captain, many watchers of Pakistan cricket had hoped that the show of faith would end. In fact, the overt display of faith has since stopped, but Malik’s stray remark indicates that religion continues to plays a role in the team.

What a MORON! The ignorant is just saying that Indian team is a faithless team(read secular). What’s he talking about? I can see Srishant making cross on chest after every wicket, Bhajji(HarbaJan Singh). Dravid and Tendulkar used to look towards sky and pray God about success and thanking Him.

When Ireland defeated us on St.Patrick’s Day, their captain associated the victory with their catholic religion. Nobody made a fuss about it in world that Irish didn’t take care of their minority because the religion that time was not Islam. if Pakistan had played the match on 25th December and had thanked Christians around the world then nobody was going to whine about it.

an Indian blogger who made a comment on one of my old post, says:

I fully understand that Islamic sentiments are thoroughly stuffed in their mindsets but heyy.. be careful dude !! Not all the Muslims ! Don’t ever say that. The Indian team had two Muslims playing for the country and they were just as happy as any other Indian Muslim all over the world at India’s victory. Don’t ever think all the Muslims in the world are supporting you.

Ms.Cuckoo was obviously referring the Pathan Brothers who played a major role in India victory but look what happened to those MUSLIM Indians. CricketNext says:

Narendra Modi ignores Pathan brothers:

New Delhi: It is raining money on Indian players for their glorious ICC Twenty20 World Championship triumph in South Africa.

But the two Pathan brothers - Yusu and Irfan - who brought glory to the country have been ignored by their home state Gujarat.

While every other state has announced rewards for their cricketers, Gujarat has not announced any award for the duo.

and Cuckoo is worried about Kenria. what would you say now? Worried about Keneria or about pathan brothers. Keneria didn’t even play the match while pathan brothers helped you Indians to won the match, yet not being taken care by your government? Shame on your ~~secular~~ government!!

This is not the first time Indian Muslims were treated like that. Recently Indian star Amitabh’s son got married. Amitabh who is a hardcore Hindu didn’t invite any famous Muslim actor whether it was Dilip Kumar(Yousuf Khan),Shahrukh,Aamir Saif Ali Khan, Feroz Khan’s family(yeah same Feroz who sang praises of India in Pakistan *grin*) because all of them were Maleech?. This is how Muslims re named by Hindus. Muslims like Dilip Kumar are forced to change their name for sake of earning success in India, so even selling their identity don’t give them much respect and I feel pitty for such filthy secular status in India.

I showed the news about Pathan brothers to my good friend KUmar and he asked me to ignore it While kumar doesn’t understand that people like me do want to ignore things which have been happening for last 60 years but when I see such instances from across the border then I get confused whether I should trust in words like ,Pakistanis are our friends, we accept Pakistan as a state, Indians and Pakistanis are brothers. Right now, there is not an excuse of politicians. People like Cuckoo are not politicians who are ordinary Indians and they minds have been polluted as well. I don’t like to discuss issues like Kashmir,India-Pak relationship or secterian stuff like Sunni/Shia on my blog because it just creates nedless heat on both side but when I see an organized propaganda for no reason and without taking care of filth on their own side, I am forced to lash out and expose the reality which those people don’t discuss.

As it’s said, preaching starts from Home, Instead of asking Pakistanis to be friends with you, be nice with you, convince some polluted minds in your own country and make then convince about what you ask us to believe. You guys have won the cup , enjoy the moments rather messing up things. You guys claim to be biggest democracy and economy in world, we also believe in that so please try to be big hearts rather big retards.

Update: One thing which I forgot to mention that people who criticized most were Indian Muslims in majority rather non-Muslims Indians. They on different forum reacted as their religion,their Musalmaniat was put at stake by Malik’s statement. I wonder where were their Musalmaniat when they were abused by majority of India. I can sense because they would blame us for these riots however we shouldn’t be blamed for things they face in their country. It’s not Pakistani Muslims’ fault if Indian muslims have to get agreed on compromises like inter-religion marriages, changing their identities to get jobs, Meena Kumari and Dilip are examples of such thing, cursing Pakistan etc etc but call spade a spade. We didn’t force any Muslim to stay in India. Many of my relatives are in Delhi,Kanpur and Merruth. My dad is a Kaanpuriya. They stayed in India while my grandpa and dad and his brother migrated. Neither we say to our relatives they r fools that stay in India nor they say we made mistake that migrated to Pakistan. Fact of the matter is that muslims suffer on both side of border. If followers of Kalam says that Pakistan was a mistake so it’s also said that Muslims in India sacrificied a lot to lead life.

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33 Responses to “Malik’s Controvery: What’s wrong with Indians?”

Sharique Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Adnan,
Modi finally announced 5 lacs each for the Pathan brother. Regarding Malik’s comment, I understand that he was struggling with his english but he should have been careful with the world Muslim. I was watching the match with my colleagues and their immediate reaction was disapproval for the use of the word. Islam and Muslim needs to be packaged well, like the way they package christianity
admin Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
packed well? and How Christianity is packaged well?

Modi would face the heat and pressure fro other states but it doesn’t refute things like 1)utter hatred against Indian muslims and biasness w.r.t religion which is against so called Indian secularism 2)making Indian muslims to follow Hindu tradition by any mean to get some success.

My post shouldn’t be taken as anti-Indian post because I have many Indian friends but then there should be some limit. If I have friends nad relatives in India then I should definitely not be considered to ignore things just because I know people across the border. I expect my friends to condemn such people within their own society first than raise fingers on us because it was not Pakistan who made movies like Border and other anti-Pakistan movie
Sharique Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Christianity is shown as a way of life rather than religion. The joy is never associated as religion and christianity is never named. Obviously the media plays a big role in the glamour packaging. Do you think Muslims media would have taken umbrage at Malik’s comment?

Obviously there are people like Modi who hate Muslims. I don’t deny the hatred and contempt many Hindus have for Muslims. But the bottom line is how many Hindus are such fanatics? You can’t generalise the mistreatment of Muslims in this country. Many Indians hate Pakistanis because of the politics, the wars, proxy war, etc etc. I just tell them one thing, why do you hate a common Pakistani, hate the government! but they are so jaundiced that they would never recede….i really can’t help.

The problems exist on both sides and any solution which begins with ‘I am good and you are bad’ cannot be a solution!

I was wondering if you could write for Indian Muslim blog. That will help us a lot in bridging the gap. Please email me.
Kumar Chetan Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
Hey man got ur mail, i know what you are talking, chill man, its holy month of ramadan and I tell you, nobody is interested in Islam or Hinduism, they are only interested in business, more sensational you get the bigger is the audience you get. Regarding media, come on man, you know there is no true media, its business only, cheer up dude, not all are same. I would definitely answer your email. Abhi main chai pee raha hu, peeni hai to aaja, fatafat.
admin Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
I am all chilled and neither I mentioned media only. Nor I have any interest to get hits. If that was the reason, I could write endlessly about on sensitive issues. I just didn’t highlight media nor I said ALL indians think alike ,offcourse I have you as a friend. I do agree with you, “It’s all about business” whether to defame oponents or get more viewership/readership on websites/media.
admin Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Shariq, I disagree with Christianity if “way of life”- Even Chrisians disagree with it. The topic is not Islam vs Christianity so will not continue on this topic. However I am amazed that you(i suppose you are a muslim) are unable to comprehend Islam as “way of life”- A religion which even give rewards to give smile to parents and removing obstacles from roads is none other than Islam. Anyways, let me tell you i belong to family who migrated from India and I am in touch with my relatives live there.

p.s: I am gonna add a paragraph which I should have mentioned at first place.
Zainub Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Shariq,

Here’s what Malik said at the presentation ceremony in the previous match:

“First of all I want to say something over here. I want to thank you my teammates, for all Pakistani peoples and the way they settled all over the world.”

If you take that literally, he’s thanking his team mates, all the Pakistani people, and the Pakistani people for “the way” they have settled all over the world! Its not hard to see that a)he’s not very good at English and b)that we probably wanted to thank all expatriate Pakistanis where in the world they lived. Its hard to see how his world view could have changed so quickly in a matter of single day that he started seeing his team overnight as a representative of Muslims and Islam rather then Pakistan. That many otherwise perfectly sensible people have failed to see this, and over reacted by taking his comments literally, is a sad reflection of our tolerance levels as a human race.
Sharique Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
Adnan,

Did I claim that christianity is a way of life? I just mentioned that it is projected that way by people and the media. The same media would take umbrage at Islam being projected as a way of life….being associated with mundane issues like sports. You are not getting my logic which I was trying to prove in my previous comment and you even doubt my religion…anyway thanks for the outburst.

Zainub,
I think he mentioned

“First of all I want to say something over here. I want to thank you back home Pakistan and where the Muslim lives all over the world.”

He did use the word Muslim. His poor english gives him certificate to associate all the Pakistanis with Muslims?
admin Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 12:07 am
shariq,if you read, i clearly said that even Christians would disagree that they project their religion as “way of life” and I was surprised what made you to say like that. As far as what you believe, my friend I was not doubting your religion , having a muslim name doesn’t mean one is muslim too. I have an Indian friend who have a hindu name but he’s not a hindu, similarly one of my Pakistani colleague had a muslim name but he was a christian because people adapt name according to region and I do have a bitter experience when I assumed someone a Muslim due to his name and he felt *offended* so I was just trying to be more reserve rather offensive.

As far as your reply to Zaibu, read what she wrote above:

Here’s what Malik said at the presentation ceremony in the previous match but you took her wrong.

Shoaib might have excuse of poor english but you don’t even have such excuse while you were interpreting what zainab actually wrote.

And Shariq, I frankly think that the reaction on his statement is not less immature and childish than the statement itself. Indians Muslims should feel more offended when they are forced to follow things which they shouldn’t to lead a sane life in India. Read the post again, i added the paragraph in which i discussed that Indian Muslims’ “Musalmaniat” get awaken only when Malik said something about Muslims otherwise Indian muslims were in hibernating mode and don’t feel offended when they are abused by majority Hindus. Indian Muslims have no courage to whine against Modi because they know if they di something, they would face heat again like they faced in past. Instead of targeting your own Janta, you(Indian Muslims) found us to vomit out frustration and blamed us for the sins which we didn’t commit us at all.
admin Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 12:12 am
Shariq, read the last para of same post. What Pakistani anchor Dr.Shahid masood said was not wrong, Indian Muslims have to react more severely than Hindus against Pakistan just for sake of survival. Whether it’s in form of lunatic statements by Feroz Khan about Pakistan or Shabana Azmi’s family point of view about Pakistan or reacting against statement of a Pakistani team captain.
Desi Italiana Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 2:25 am
Adnan:

-”It seems it has become a national habit of Indians to create a fuss out of anything which is associated with Pakistan and they try their level best to defame Pakistan by every means”

-”You guys claim to be biggest democracy and economy in world, we also believe in that so please try to be big hearts rather big retards.” To be sure, Modi is an effing bastard (excuse my language). But you are basing the “big retards” sentiment on this fool? May I remind you that the BJP got its butt voted out in every single state except for Gujarat.

Do you really think you are starting a fruitful discussion by grossly generalizing all 1 billion Indians (”national habit of Indian to create a fuss out of anything which is associated with Pakistan”) and asking them to not be “big retards”?

I appreciate you sending me an e-mail about “depressing Indian attitude,” but let’s get one thing straight: there is no such thing as “Indian” attitude, because the attitude you describe here is not one that all 1 billion Indians subscribe to. Your framing of the discussion is tantamount to my saying that your attitude is a “Pakistani” attitude, but we know that there is a plurality of attitudes that exist in Pakistan. There are nitwits on both side of the border, as well as smart and intelligent folks. To take the sentiments of those who you have quoted here as indicative of an “Indian” attitude is ridiculous, specious, and inaccurate.

This is not to say that there are not certain ideas that come out of India- just like in Pakistan. I’ve always been struck by how the vociferous few from both sides sound so much alike, the only difference being the names they give to their ideas. There are haters who will carry out genocides against people they deem as “different,” “kafirs,” whatever, like Modi’s ilk, the VHP, RSS, and other ignorant fascists who focus on establishing a Hindu Rashtra because it’s too hard to come up with effective solutions to the REAL problems facing 1 billion Indians. These ideas are very dangerous (ie Gujarat 2003), and I am all for highlighting these notions in an effort to weed them out and resist them. They must be called out and deconstructed. And you know that is what I do all the time. But it’s ineffective and useless to play the game within the terms you have described here.
admin Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 6:51 am
When I said national habbit, it covers several INSTANCES happened in past , not by politicians but by common men.Some of them I mentioned in post, kicking out a pakistani director,cursing Pakistanis within Pakistan,making anti-Pakistani movies and now this malik controvesary. there was not a single Indian behind this. one after another they we experienced same thing by different Indians. Offcourse such anti-Indian mentality exist in Pakistan as well but how many times we waged a media war on your country or made movies against India? how many times we misbehaved your celebrities. we even allowed the extremist Edwani to visit the shrine of M.A Jinnah. offcourse it sounds so stupid if you are asking someone to meet every single Indian on earth or you’re saying that let us experience this from every Indian untill I Shutup and Don’t highlight it? Why don’t I hear POSITIVE things about Pakistan from Indians?When I said “national habit” then it clearly means majority who think like that.

You beautifully escaped the main issue, Why do we Pakistani have to face such lame things by Indians? I see no condemnation from your side on useless propaganda by Indians(both media and non-media) people. Why is like that? if *few* Indians as per your claim are so strong that they could do whatever they like on behalf of majority then why don’t you moderated STOP then?

there shouldn’t be excuse of Gujrat. Gujrat is part of India and such “extremist” as you said hold power of such states. People gave them vote that’s why they’re in power, should I assume every Indian who gave him vote is a “fanatic”?

Desi, as I clearly said on my same post, Indians should try to convince their own people first about Pakistan before asking Pakistanis to stop criticizing Indians who defame Pakistan. These instances which are just getting increased ain’t going to help anyway to bridge the gap. As I saw on Adil’s forum, majority of Indians started singing praises of so called Secular states and foolishly assumed that “Cricket Team==India hence we care minorities”, what a stupid idea. Asking us to take care of everything nad give a free hand to your own people to say whatever they want is not a good practise.
admin Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 6:57 am
desi, i request you to read entire post again, don’t get over emotional after read first few lines. If you notice I was not targeting Hindus and I specifically target Indian Muslims who had been whining for no reason and they forgot how they have to compromise on various matters(also mentioned them) to survive in India. I belong to a Mohajir family who migrated frm India and have relatives in India. I keep getting updates about different things happen in India so no media propaganda exist either.-Thanks.
Omar Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 7:41 am
I’m disappointed with the discussion going on here. We’re making a fuss out of ourselves. Lets just understand one thing. Hindus can never be friends with Muslims. I wonder why what Malik said is taken negatively.

It should be understood that first we’re muslims & then Pakistani.
admin Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 7:43 am
sorry omar i will not second your statement regarding hindus. The second thing is that those who are criticizing more are Muslim minority of India.
Desi Italiana Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 8:30 am
Adnan:

I did read your post and I stand by my comment. How in the world do you expect a discussion when you continue to make statements like “Indians are like this to Pakistanis?”

I don’t disagree with pointing out the very quotes you cited.

“You beautifully escaped the main issue, Why do we Pakistani have to face such lame things by Indians?”

I didn’t escape the issue, if you read my response. I specifically pointed out examples of how I also think virulent ideologies in India should be pointed out.

And how do you expect me to respond to your “Why do we Pakistanis have to face such lame things by Indians?” My honest answer would be: go on foot to India and ask every single person and conduct a survey before you make this a “we” and “them” issue.

I wouldn’t allow myself to ever say, “Why do Pakistanis always say this?” or “This is Pakistan’s national habits” and so on. I know that there is diversity within Pakistan, as well as plurality of thought.

PS. Also, you all the things you quoted are in English. Just to remind you, half of the Indian population cannot read and write, and even a fewer number can read and write in English.
Desi Italiana Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 8:48 am
Adnan:

Also:

“When I said national habbit, it covers several INSTANCES happened in past , not by politicians but by common men”

“Common men?” Like who? The bourgeosis who gets to write in English in the Times of India? The intelligensia who writes in English? Come on, you’re generalizing without even looking at the context.

There are other parts of your comment that I don’t entirely comprehend, so I’ll leave that.

Anyway, thanks for notifying me of this post. If I don’t respond to any further comments, it’s only because I work more than 12 hours a day, and it’s difficult to keep up with non work related stuff. I’m more than willing to set aside time to read thought provoking posts, but I don’t want to carve out time to get into a discussion that I find fruitless. I also think that instead of making broad generalizations based on the things you come across (and again, I do agree with your desire to point out the things that should be critiqued), you should really seek out a diversity of voices. You ask why “Indians never say anything good about Pakistan.” There are Indians who have written/said engaging things, and with a little bit of effort and homework on your part, you can find them. If I can find Pakistani writers and intellectuals who are informative, engaging, and critical, then you can certainly find some on the other side of the border.

And finally, Omar:

“Lets just understand one thing. Hindus can never be friends with Muslims.”

You should come hang out with my circle- we’re either from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh or of Indian, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi descent, with people coming from Hindu, Sikh, and Muslim backgrounds. There seems to be no problems at all, and we’re all quite close.
admin Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 9:04 am

Why do we Pakistanis have to face such lame things by Indians?

well are not such propaganda lame against Pakistanis or do you consider it sensible or realistic?

Why do Pakistanis always say this?”

you can say but offcourse yo would have to provide references. you would have to provide reference of movies, and other examples that we misbehaved Indians.

My honest answer would be: go on foot to India and ask every single person and conduct a survey before you make this a “we” and “them” issue.

you’re being funny while I was serious. Anyway it’s irking you that I labelled all Indians, how about saying Majority of Indians? I know you will not agree on this as well unless I proved every Indian innocent so useless to continue further.

The point which I tried to make about Indians is , “Those who live in glasshouse shouldn’t throw stones on others”. Indians should just mind their own business and try to rectify problems within their own society. Similarly people from this side should do the same. Indians assume that they are fault free and every shit happens on earth is in Pakistan or by Pakistanis.

It was very depressing that Instead of enjoying the victory, usual mudslinging got started. I wonder if Pakistan would have beaten India then they would have made our life hell by coming up with various allegations.

is there any possibility that India never blame Pakistan for anything? just once in a century?

Also, you all the things you quoted are in English. Just to remind you, half of the Indian population cannot read and write, and even a fewer number can read and write in English.

again, I am not an Indian therefore not my responsibility. Moderate Indians like you who understand both Hindi and English should come out and educate their fellows about Pakistan and tell them that “we can change friends but not neighbors”[as Vajpayee said once]. As long as Indians like you don’t raise voice against such extremist anti-Pakistan forces, you can’t expect something fruitful. I never saw any instances where Indian Janta[which you have been referring] ever protested against racist Bollywood movies. I didn’t see any news that some indian org protested when hasan shehryar was kicked out of Hotel. And on top of that , I didn’t see any protest against policy of Indian hotels that “Pakistanis and bangalis can’t stay in 5-star Hotels”. I don’t need to visit India to experience such thing and you wouldn’t find any such policy against Indians. We don’t ban Indian programs in our country while Pakistani channels are OFFICIALLY banned in India. yaar desi, if there is single instance, i make myself shutup but there are infinite and you would have to accept them.

I often watched VOI, a singing contest in which different participants sing songs. One of the participant sang a song of Pakistani singer, the singer Abhijeet said something that local directors shouldn’t hire Pakistanis for songs since it’s like betraying their own people. Ignorant chap didn’t realize that taking a song or two doesn’t make Indian film industry suffer. Instead of showing friendly gesture, he criticized the involvement of Pakistani factor.

If singers,common people who blog are not part of Indian JANTA then who are they? there would be such elements on other fields as well. Frankly speaking, your statement could be considered credible if I would have experienced voices against extreme elements in different parts of field which unfortunately I didn’t.

I also made a point, don’t you think Indian youth despite of infinite development in various fields of life is still under the influence of their forefathers and not able to getrid of Pakistan factor?
AG Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 2:25 pm
well dude this entire discussion here just points in one direction. Sour Grapes ……… Well stop whinning and move on you lot in Pakistan.SA has just arrived on your door steps.. so go wave the pakistani flag. you will get your shot at redemption in two years time when the 20-20 is up for grabs again. And i hope who ever wins keeps religion separated from sports or else chooses to speak in a language over which they have some command. Blabering like a baboon gets you
to utter words which you did not intend to speak at all.

AG
Desi Italiana Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Adnan:

–”Why do Pakistanis always say this?”

“you can say but offcourse yo would have to provide references. you would have to provide reference of movies, and other examples that we misbehaved Indians.”"

Adnan, you misquoted me. Are you reading what I’ve written? This is exactly what I wrote, which you quoted:

“”I wouldn’t allow myself to ever say, “Why do Pakistanis always say this?” or “This is Pakistan’s national habits” and so on. I know that there is diversity within Pakistan, as well as plurality of thought.”

Could you please read what I’ve written before you selectively pick out what I’ve written?

-”Moderate Indians like you”

You have an uncanny way of saying “your country” and “moderate Indians like you” type of stuff. I have told you in our e-mail exchanges, and I have also stated on All Things Pakistan (another blog that likes to talk about “The Pakistani Perspective”, vs. “Indian perspective,” whatever that means) that I’m not Indian per se. I was born and raised abroad.

Anyway, this discussion to me is worthless. It’s one thing to point stuff out, like the insidious ideologies that are raking India, it’s another thing for you to go off hysterically, screaming about “the Indian attitude” and “why are Indians like this?” Your labeling is ultimately racist, and I’d take the same kind of issue with someone who was talking about Pakistanis in the same manner (ie “Pakistanis are like this,” look at the “Pakistani attitude”). And no, I’m not taking this personally, I’m taking issue with your gross generalizations of an entire nation. Please don’t send me anymore e-mails saying, “My dear, don’t take this personally.” There are plenty of folks you can have a conversation of this kind with– to be sure, there are some Indians who will talk about Pakistan the way you talk about India, and as they say, misery loves company.
admin Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 5:39 pm

Well stop whinning and move on

this is what I was trying to tell Indians. they have won and should move on instead of continue cheap tactics which they had been doing for ages. Bringing up non-existent stuff while ignoring crap on Indian soil is not going to help at all. And no, there is no such regret that Pakistan lost in Final. You came up with something new which is lame. Unlike India, Pakistan have won more matches against India so it’s not bothering us at all. Indians won a trophy and started being cheap. Is this mature thing?
You have commented on my previous entry regarding cricket and I had clearly mentioned(predicted) that Pakistan could lose due to old stats about Worldcup. if i was worried about result of the match then I would have made different posts. Anyway as said yourself, babbling like baboon about Pakistanis is not going to help at all.

DI, you were backing India , your family belongs to India so it definitely means I was taking you as Indian. I think we are not interested where and how were you raised? the point is, you’re backing a country that’s it. Second thing, you have just blamed me[us] , have no willingness to Admit issues with your own people

I’m taking issue with your gross generalizations of an entire nation

your statement really don’t hold water and I also regret that I wasted time with you just because I didn’t know and misunderstood you at first place when I dealt with you on Adil’s website. Asking Pakistanis to Fix themselves while not accepting the several instances I mentioned and started blaming me in return, this is called the Indian attitude and we pakistanis are very much used to of it. Nowhere yo accepted that YES Moderate Indians should remove confusions fro other fellow Indians about Pakistan and tell them Pakistanis are not enemies, what you did that you picked my sentences and start firing stream of words on me.

Atleast I do agree with you, India and Pakistan have all kind of people, maybe I came across with yet another such person who’s stick with ideology which is being fed for several decades. But I don’t lose hope while I personally met few good Indians which think different than majority. as I mentioned, this blog was setup by my Indian friend and I have a friend in South Africa who doesn’t chant slogan Kashmir Bharat ka Atoot Ang hay[kashmir is integral part of India]. So I hope I would came across more like-minded people from other side of the border in future. Atleast you’were not one of them.
Khalid Says:
October 1st, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Geo Adnan Geo,

Lagtaa hai abhee bhee kuch Pakistani zindaa hain.

Mamaa, Dil khush kardiaa.

BTW, Aaaj raat ko taraweeh kai baad doaa karonga, Allah tum ko izzaat aur rahat day dunyaa main bhee aur akhraat main bhee, Ameeen.
Keshi Says:
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:55 am
hey Addu hows ya? tnxx for leaving the link

Boys n Cricket..its a crazy love affair isnt it LOL!

Keshi.
Ahmed Says:
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:45 am
I tried to comment on Indian Muslims blog but I guess the moderator doesnt like me so my comment never made it. Personally I believe Shoaibs comments were merely a slip of tongue and his non-proficiency with the language but the way its being portrayed as if he has committed a crime I would understand that if the protest comes from christian/hindu circles and is acceptable but I dont know whats the deal with muslims across the border I am surprised as to what they are protesting about how does this effect them and how does this make their life harder just because a cricketer said that he wanted thank the muslims all over and now they feel embarrased and insulted one commenter at Indian Muslims blog very wisely said that if this was an American jew he would have been supported by jews the world over and Israel. This is not to say that I was expecting Indian Muslims to support Pakistan but I am really disappointed to see some comments here and on other blogs by Indian Muslims. It feels as if you want to be a proud Indian Muslim you should do some Pakistan bashing. Well if thats the way it is I dont see any meaningful dialogue happening.

Blog post at Indian Muslims
CM-Chap Says:
October 4th, 2007 at 3:13 am
Hey Adnan… After thinking for a while should I get in to this or not.. I decided to write this comment…

All I wish to say is… Nothing is wrong with Indian’s…. neither Pakistani’s… My personal take on this issue is… Malik should have been cautious… On that day my coworker (Indian - Muslim) told me this after hearing Malik’s statement… “It really hurts… irrespective of in whatever sense it was told…”. I prefer to leave it here… don’t wan’t to give some motherhood statements….
Ajeya Rao Says:
October 4th, 2007 at 6:04 am
Rememeber one thing Mr. Adnan - All INDIANS ATTACKED MALIK NOT MUSLIMS OR PAKISTANI’s. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!

When somebody knows the meaning of “World” and “muslim” he cant make a mistake. If it were grammer mistake i would have accepted your debate. No valid poiint dude.
admin Says:
October 4th, 2007 at 7:26 am
Actually the valid points are:

1)Indians should mind their own business.
2)Those who live in glasshouse don’t throw stones on others.
Khalid Says:
October 4th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Adnan!

I have worked with Indian for around 10 years, both Hindus and Muslims. 90% of the Hindus hated Pakistan. 10% (100% of this 10%) were from South India - Kerala side (cool at heart people) and ditn’ hate or love Pakistan.
For Indian Muslims, I would keep my mouth shut. I don’t want any trouble for them.

Yes there would be some Indian Muslims who hated Pakistan as much as BJP, but they must be hanging around with different kind of people. So I never saw one.

I think the Muslim players who were given the prize money by Modi, should return this money. How can we forget his and his clans crimes.
triple Says:
October 6th, 2007 at 7:25 am
Actually, two more valid points,

1)Pakistanis should mind their own business (shaoib started this controversy)
2)Those who live in glasshouse don’t throw stones on others. (well said not live by it)

btw, hello anyone there? u asking why indians say things abt pakistan? well proxy war? thousands of deaths in terrorism? massacre of hindus in 1971? shelter to dawood and others? 10% hindu population down to
triple Says:
October 6th, 2007 at 7:40 am
less than 1%? kargil? plane hijacking? maulana azar mehmoud? taliban?

and then u want to represent muslims… well i suppose indian muslims don’t want to be represented by u. we live in a multicultural country, with its drawbacks and positives and u r welcome to suggest improvements to us, but pls don’t represent any section of indians.
Syed Faraz Mahmood Says:
October 7th, 2007 at 8:31 am
@triple
you forgot to mention the massacare of 47 , and gujrat. It is quite surprising to see that most of the indian movies portraying nationalism or light action movies often have big boss being a muslim (more often a paksitani). Is that how a secular country represents a portion of its population.
and could you explain a bit more about moulana azhar and dawood? plane hijacking i guess your are talking about PIA plane :),
triple Says:
October 8th, 2007 at 6:37 am
@ syed,

shakal, prem chopra, gabbar singh, mogambo, lion - i know all these villains from indian movies - muslim villains? well thats news to me. yes we normally have a muslim sidekick but a villain? what u been smoking dude?

how many movies mention pakistanis as villains? i’ve only seen one - sarfarosh. u r not referring to any conflict movies like border etc right? dude they are based on india pakistan wars - obviously the adversary will be pakistan right? in any case, pakistanis are not a minority in india

1947 - i did not mention because there was bloodshed everywhere, r u forgetting bahawalpur and direct action days, yes actually u r right, that rankles too. gujarat - how’s pakistan involved? do u have an inside story? for gujarat, we normally blame the sangh parivar and vote them out. the pakistan angle is new. mr maulana and dawood are both living happily in ur great country after murdering hundreds in india (http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/20060805.htm). maulana openly ran the compound in lahore, i hope literate people like u read atleast pakistani exposes on these. plane hijacking - i mean the kandahar one, where as bargain, mr maulana azhar mehmood was released by India to lead a happy protected life in the pure land.
desi Says:
December 31st, 2007 at 2:15 am
Adnan,

Enough of India vs Pakisthan, I am following news in pakisthan from past 72 hours continuously.
tell me more about it, Musharraf VS PPP
Mush Vs Nawaz
Mush Vs ISI
ISI vs ISI(which supports taleban)
Northwest Frontier Vs Pak Army (what is ISI role here)
Balooch Vs Pakarmy
Pak Army Vs afghan finally
Mush Vs (Lower cadre in Pak army 2 attempts on Mush life)
what do you think happens to Nukes .. Do you think its better to take them out of Pak before they loose control over them?
Btw if elections happen Apart from Sindh and Punjab will others paricipate? sorry too many questions propping up in my mind..

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