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	<title>Comments on: Are deobandis like Qadyanis?</title>
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		<title>By: Ghazala Khan</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1097</link>
		<author>Ghazala Khan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I mean thats very disturbing. There are enough issues faced by Muslims, and we certainly dont need yet another theatrics by socalled scholars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean thats very disturbing. There are enough issues faced by Muslims, and we certainly dont need yet another theatrics by socalled scholars.</p>
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		<title>By: aaloo</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1108</link>
		<author>aaloo</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1108</guid>
					<description>let these stupidkokab brand of mullahs collect dust, the ummah has to reject them to gain unity. otherwise daastaan bhi na ho gi daastaanon main.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let these stupidkokab brand of mullahs collect dust, the ummah has to reject them to gain unity. otherwise daastaan bhi na ho gi daastaanon main.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1109</link>
		<author>Ibrahim</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1109</guid>
					<description>Salamalikum,

I read this post and above where you mentioned about you suspending your blogging days. About this: From Raza Khan Bralvi, who issued a takfiry fatwa of Deobandis, to today Bralvi make takfir of Deobandis. So, this is not new and is a bogus claim. I didn't know you belonged to Bralvi school because what I read from you didn't seem consistent with one. You sounded more Deobandi to me. In fact, the very first opinion of you that I had was that you were ahl-e-hadith because you don't believe in blind following, etc. I hope you don't believe that Rasoolillah (saw) was a noor and not a bashar, in milad, urs, pir/mureed bid'aat. A shair I read in a book called "Sunnat aur bid'at ki kashmakash"(really a booklet) of Mahirul Qadiri, who was a diehard bralvi and considered the greatest milad khuwan of his time before he repented and took ideas that can fall somewhere between Deobandis who still believe in sufism and ahl-e-hadith, who don't:
haqiqat rawayaat may kho gayee
ya ummat kharafaat may kho gayee

I hope you don't mind what I wrote above. On to your post about suspending your blogging: I know it's not an easy thing to blog but I think gaining knowledge is a far better option until a person can despense knowledge without affecting his/her own learning of Islam. I saw the partial list of books you bought from Dar-us-salam. I've read a couple like Gems and Jewels, but I didn't read in English. Is this book al-lulu wal-marjaan? If so, I think the description is a bit off. The book is a collection of mutafiqqan aleayh ahadeeth (ahadeeth found both in saheeh al-bukhair and muslim), and nothing else. Secondly, I think the director of dar-us-salam is Abdul Malik &lt;i&gt;Mujahid&lt;/i&gt;.  Thirdly, you might know that there's a branch of dar-us-salam right behind the main Tariq Road shopping center [ph.#: 4393936]. So, if you need more books you can get it from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salamalikum,</p>
<p>I read this post and above where you mentioned about you suspending your blogging days. About this: From Raza Khan Bralvi, who issued a takfiry fatwa of Deobandis, to today Bralvi make takfir of Deobandis. So, this is not new and is a bogus claim. I didn&#8217;t know you belonged to Bralvi school because what I read from you didn&#8217;t seem consistent with one. You sounded more Deobandi to me. In fact, the very first opinion of you that I had was that you were ahl-e-hadith because you don&#8217;t believe in blind following, etc. I hope you don&#8217;t believe that Rasoolillah (saw) was a noor and not a bashar, in milad, urs, pir/mureed bid&#8217;aat. A shair I read in a book called &#8220;Sunnat aur bid&#8217;at ki kashmakash&#8221;(really a booklet) of Mahirul Qadiri, who was a diehard bralvi and considered the greatest milad khuwan of his time before he repented and took ideas that can fall somewhere between Deobandis who still believe in sufism and ahl-e-hadith, who don&#8217;t:<br />
haqiqat rawayaat may kho gayee<br />
ya ummat kharafaat may kho gayee</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mind what I wrote above. On to your post about suspending your blogging: I know it&#8217;s not an easy thing to blog but I think gaining knowledge is a far better option until a person can despense knowledge without affecting his/her own learning of Islam. I saw the partial list of books you bought from Dar-us-salam. I&#8217;ve read a couple like Gems and Jewels, but I didn&#8217;t read in English. Is this book al-lulu wal-marjaan? If so, I think the description is a bit off. The book is a collection of mutafiqqan aleayh ahadeeth (ahadeeth found both in saheeh al-bukhair and muslim), and nothing else. Secondly, I think the director of dar-us-salam is Abdul Malik <i>Mujahid</i>.  Thirdly, you might know that there&#8217;s a branch of dar-us-salam right behind the main Tariq Road shopping center [ph.#: 4393936]. So, if you need more books you can get it from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sajid Iqbal</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1113</link>
		<author>Sajid Iqbal</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1113</guid>
					<description>Very good work Adnan. Really shame for this person to make such arguments. And what about such things: http://www.dawateislami.net/services/askimam/urdu/viewdetail.aspx?qid=10&#38;scatid=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good work Adnan. Really shame for this person to make such arguments. And what about such things: <a href="http://www.dawateislami.net/services/askimam/urdu/viewdetail.aspx?qid=10&amp;scatid=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.dawateislami.net/services/askimam/urdu/viewdetail.aspx?qid=10&amp;scatid=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: aaloo</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1114</link>
		<author>aaloo</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1114</guid>
					<description>Another thing i want to add. Many hadeeth predict the re-arrival of Hazrat Issa (AS) near the end times. His arrival will also not negate the khatam-ul-nabieen status of The Prophet (PBUH). Makes sense with point number 2. 

baaqi Allah bahtar jaanta hai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing i want to add. Many hadeeth predict the re-arrival of Hazrat Issa (AS) near the end times. His arrival will also not negate the khatam-ul-nabieen status of The Prophet (PBUH). Makes sense with point number 2. </p>
<p>baaqi Allah bahtar jaanta hai.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1116</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1116</guid>
					<description>Walikum Salam Ibrahaim,glad to see you here.

Frankly speaking I myself was not aware 6 months ago tht I was barelvi unless I explictly asked my parents about it. You may laugh on it or considered me an ignorant but frankly speaking I never went for any secterian things within Islam. I remmber there was a time when I disliked the idea of Fiqhs etc and I didn't consider them good that why am I hanafi etc,specially after reading hadiths about 72 sects. Later when I read all 4 Imams then I found that there was no conflict between them and all fitna started by their followers. NOne of 4 imams,from Abu Hanifa[RA] to Imam Hanbal[RA] said one point that is &lt;b&gt;Reject our verdict if its against Hadith&lt;/b&gt; and this is the core teaching by all of them.

I remember it was me who never liked Sufis and had a perception that most of sufis I see today are drug addicts. Later I read about Junaid Baghdadi[RA],Data Ganjg Bakhs[RA],Nizumuddin[RA] etc etc and found them the most beautiful people after my prophet[SAW] and His companions[RA].

I am not a born religiously aware person and I started taking seriously after 2003 Iraq war due to online chatting with several non-muslims americans. They used to ask me questions and I was like a dumb freak. Thanks to Mr.Bush,his war on terror made me to start reading Islam. Whatever I know a little bit is all due to my recent study about Islam. I had rather thought few months ago to start a seprate blog about my Understanding about Allah,Islam and religion etc which I couldn't share in my current blog which is not specific to religion only. Due to time constraints I have dropped the idea and most prolly if I ever start bloggin again then I would prefer to share my personal understanding about Islam rather picking general events happening around me.

Yes I used to sound deobandis but that's not intentional ,as I said I don't believe in factions within Islam. I rather prefer to follow the orignal islam so it doesn't matter me it is synch with Deobandis or someone else. I rather like to be name as a Muslim rather a deobandi or barelvi.
&lt;i&gt;
the very first opinion of you that I had was that you were ahl-e-hadith because you don’t believe in blind following, etc
&lt;/i&gt;
IMO, people of Ahle-e-Hadith are more blind followers than anyone else. What I mean that In Quran Allah mentioned clearly to understand what you practise. Didn't Quran  say so many times &lt;b&gt;There are signs of Wisdom for those who can understand?&lt;/b&gt; The order itself is enough proof that Allah asks us to use our brain rather follow someone just because He/She is very respectable. Why didn't Allah just order to believe in HIM no matter what? Surah Rahman is the biggest example ALlah pursue us to SEE THE THINGS AROUND US and find HIM in them. I also believe in same logic,this is why You don't read me as a typical Barelvi follower.

No Bro Ibrahim I didn't mind at all and I do agree things you mentioned. Yes I know local darussalam branch but I discovered it very recently. Yes Mujahid Sahab is his main person. The Gems and Jewls is Laula WalMarjan.

Thanks for your reply and keep in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walikum Salam Ibrahaim,glad to see you here.</p>
<p>Frankly speaking I myself was not aware 6 months ago tht I was barelvi unless I explictly asked my parents about it. You may laugh on it or considered me an ignorant but frankly speaking I never went for any secterian things within Islam. I remmber there was a time when I disliked the idea of Fiqhs etc and I didn&#8217;t consider them good that why am I hanafi etc,specially after reading hadiths about 72 sects. Later when I read all 4 Imams then I found that there was no conflict between them and all fitna started by their followers. NOne of 4 imams,from Abu Hanifa[RA] to Imam Hanbal[RA] said one point that is <b>Reject our verdict if its against Hadith</b> and this is the core teaching by all of them.</p>
<p>I remember it was me who never liked Sufis and had a perception that most of sufis I see today are drug addicts. Later I read about Junaid Baghdadi[RA],Data Ganjg Bakhs[RA],Nizumuddin[RA] etc etc and found them the most beautiful people after my prophet[SAW] and His companions[RA].</p>
<p>I am not a born religiously aware person and I started taking seriously after 2003 Iraq war due to online chatting with several non-muslims americans. They used to ask me questions and I was like a dumb freak. Thanks to Mr.Bush,his war on terror made me to start reading Islam. Whatever I know a little bit is all due to my recent study about Islam. I had rather thought few months ago to start a seprate blog about my Understanding about Allah,Islam and religion etc which I couldn&#8217;t share in my current blog which is not specific to religion only. Due to time constraints I have dropped the idea and most prolly if I ever start bloggin again then I would prefer to share my personal understanding about Islam rather picking general events happening around me.</p>
<p>Yes I used to sound deobandis but that&#8217;s not intentional ,as I said I don&#8217;t believe in factions within Islam. I rather prefer to follow the orignal islam so it doesn&#8217;t matter me it is synch with Deobandis or someone else. I rather like to be name as a Muslim rather a deobandi or barelvi.<br />
<i><br />
the very first opinion of you that I had was that you were ahl-e-hadith because you don’t believe in blind following, etc<br />
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IMO, people of Ahle-e-Hadith are more blind followers than anyone else. What I mean that In Quran Allah mentioned clearly to understand what you practise. Didn&#8217;t Quran  say so many times <b>There are signs of Wisdom for those who can understand?</b> The order itself is enough proof that Allah asks us to use our brain rather follow someone just because He/She is very respectable. Why didn&#8217;t Allah just order to believe in HIM no matter what? Surah Rahman is the biggest example ALlah pursue us to SEE THE THINGS AROUND US and find HIM in them. I also believe in same logic,this is why You don&#8217;t read me as a typical Barelvi follower.</p>
<p>No Bro Ibrahim I didn&#8217;t mind at all and I do agree things you mentioned. Yes I know local darussalam branch but I discovered it very recently. Yes Mujahid Sahab is his main person. The Gems and Jewls is Laula WalMarjan.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply and keep in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1117</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1117</guid>
					<description>@Aaloo: very valid point about the return of Hazrat Eesa[AS]. He's a Nabi but definately not the last Prophet[SAW]. Very very valid point. Pretty sad that Kokab sahab had no idea about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaloo: very valid point about the return of Hazrat Eesa[AS]. He&#8217;s a Nabi but definately not the last Prophet[SAW]. Very very valid point. Pretty sad that Kokab sahab had no idea about it.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1118</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-1118</guid>
					<description>@SajidIQbal: Afsos k hum bus dua he karsakta hain k Allah unhay Hidyat day aur humay bhee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SajidIQbal: Afsos k hum bus dua he karsakta hain k Allah unhay Hidyat day aur humay bhee.</p>
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		<title>By: SONA</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-11749</link>
		<author>SONA</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-11749</guid>
					<description>Mr Adnan how can u say the  page u Scanned above is taken from the Qasim Nano Tavi book?

you defend This Qasim Nanotavi Statemt and Blame Molana Kokub Sahib that he Collects Chanda. What about   deobandies do u know what they do?

U deobandi people Dont like Khatam shreef

but u people wana eat in Khatm Shrif?

Man what about other Deoband Ulmmas stamement 

MOLNA MUHAMMAD HUSSAIN TANDI.
MOLANA ABDULRASHEED GHANGOHI( WHO SAID HER MUSLMAAN KHAT MUNABEEIN HO SAKTA  HAI)
MOLANA ISMAIEL DAHLVI( HIS BOOK  MANSBE_IMAMAT)
MOLANA BULKALAM AZAAD.

molana qasim anotavi  are not the folower of Islam
and i ave debate with many deobandi and ther  are not in fever of pakistan.

another thing   u people want tableeg only muslims     y u people dont go for qadianies?

whe i asked y u dont gor for wadiani  thay said Allaha will finish them?

Tell me if u people belive Alhha will finish them and defend islam from them Y u dont belive ALLHA will guide other to go for ISLAM?

where u feel comfort u choose taht place  in hard u belive Alaha will do every thing

U wana drink PEPSI SHEZANN SPRITE etc   for others ur choos Water

(gramatical mistakes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Adnan how can u say the  page u Scanned above is taken from the Qasim Nano Tavi book?</p>
<p>you defend This Qasim Nanotavi Statemt and Blame Molana Kokub Sahib that he Collects Chanda. What about   deobandies do u know what they do?</p>
<p>U deobandi people Dont like Khatam shreef</p>
<p>but u people wana eat in Khatm Shrif?</p>
<p>Man what about other Deoband Ulmmas stamement </p>
<p>MOLNA MUHAMMAD HUSSAIN TANDI.<br />
MOLANA ABDULRASHEED GHANGOHI( WHO SAID HER MUSLMAAN KHAT MUNABEEIN HO SAKTA  HAI)<br />
MOLANA ISMAIEL DAHLVI( HIS BOOK  MANSBE_IMAMAT)<br />
MOLANA BULKALAM AZAAD.</p>
<p>molana qasim anotavi  are not the folower of Islam<br />
and i ave debate with many deobandi and ther  are not in fever of pakistan.</p>
<p>another thing   u people want tableeg only muslims     y u people dont go for qadianies?</p>
<p>whe i asked y u dont gor for wadiani  thay said Allaha will finish them?</p>
<p>Tell me if u people belive Alhha will finish them and defend islam from them Y u dont belive ALLHA will guide other to go for ISLAM?</p>
<p>where u feel comfort u choose taht place  in hard u belive Alaha will do every thing</p>
<p>U wana drink PEPSI SHEZANN SPRITE etc   for others ur choos Water</p>
<p>(gramatical mistakes)</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-11805</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-11805</guid>
					<description>U know what? I belong to barelvi family but never followed lame stuff in barelvis.

There is no such thing like Kahtam Sharif etc. Can you give example of Hadith or any account in which Sahabas(RA) did what barelvis do in name of Islam?

as far as the page showed by Kaukab, if you cant even grasp the video then you must be willing to remain as ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U know what? I belong to barelvi family but never followed lame stuff in barelvis.</p>
<p>There is no such thing like Kahtam Sharif etc. Can you give example of Hadith or any account in which Sahabas(RA) did what barelvis do in name of Islam?</p>
<p>as far as the page showed by Kaukab, if you cant even grasp the video then you must be willing to remain as ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Azeem</title>
		<link>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-12698</link>
		<author>M. Azeem</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kadnan.com/blog/2007/04/12/are-deobandis-like-qadyanis/#comment-12698</guid>
					<description>Sir one person who belong to the Bralvi maslak he tell me a lot of against of Deobandi please give me some thing which i stop his tonge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir one person who belong to the Bralvi maslak he tell me a lot of against of Deobandi please give me some thing which i stop his tonge.</p>
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