Are deobandis like Qadyanis?
Recently I came across a video which was posted by a forum member to claim that Deobandis belief is not different than Qadyanis that is, both deny the finality of Prophet Muhammad[Saw]. First watch the video in which Molana Kokab Norani Sahab gave the reference of Qasim Nanautwi’s book Thezir-un-nas to prove his point that deobandis are like qadyanis hence non-muslims.
So Kokab Sahab who don’t start Friday prayers unless he collects the handsome amount of Chanda[funds] trying to explain with his logic that qasim sahab denied the idea of finallity of Muhammad[saw].
I belong to a Barelvi family but I always liked the points mentioned by several deobandis scholars in their writings. Scholars like Mufti Taqi Usmani,rafi Usmani, Molana Tariq Jamil are few of my favorite scholars. Since I never followed my barelvi belief blindly and ignorantly and always tried my best to follow what orignal sources say rather beliving in some ulemas, I always kept myself open to read others views including qadyanis. As I said I am not a deobandi and was not aware of the mentioned deobandi founder, I preferred to find out the actual content of the book which was being criticized by Kokab sahab and as he says that qadyanis make deobandis shutup by giving the reference of the book. Luckily I found the “controversial” content which is given below:
So three points are given which were mentioned by Kokab Sahab as well, Let me try to make a rough translation of the first statment.
Suppose if there’s some prophet at the time of Muhammad[saw] then He[saw] will be still the last Prophet
Kokab sahab were not aware that there was an arab at the time of Muhammad[saw] named Muslima Ibn Kazzab who were jealous of Muhammad[saw]’s popularity and despite of he knows that Muhammad [saw] was the last prophet, he used to tease Him[saw]. So yes the statement made by Qasim sahab is quite true that even if someone claims to be a prophet which Muslima Kazzab did at the time of Muhammad[saw] then it doesnt mean the other person is the last prophet. You can read further about Muslima Kazzab on Internet websites, he was alive even after death of Muhammad[saw]. The other guy who claimed prophethoot at the time of Muhammad[saw] was Aswad Ansi of Yemen. So the point that if some false prophet appears[which actually appeared,not one but multiple] in life of Muhammad[saw] then it will not refute the status of finality of Muhammad[saw].
The 2nd point was:
someone claims to be a prophet after death of MUhammad[saw] then it wil not effect the Khatm-e-Nabowat
I recall two names at the moment, Mirza Ghulam qadyani and Rashad Khalifa. The latest dajjal or fake prophet of the world is Rael ,the founder of Raelian Movement who recently claimed his status as a Messenger. They are also considered people who are promoting ID
anyway back to claims by Kokab Sahab, I couldn’t translate the last statment since it’s written in difficult urdu but Kokab sahab who emphasized a lot on first two points as blasphemous, I didn’t find any such at all. It was just lack of knowledge at the end of Kokab Sahab or deliberate mudslinging against Deobandis who doesn’t believe in Bidats[Innovation] in the name of Islam.
Let’s assume that Qasim Nanautwi Sahab made some blasphemous statement against the prophet. If that is deobandis teachings then it should be followed by his followers as well, right? but the reality is if you read books by Molana Yousuf Ludhyanvi, Mufti Taqi Usmani and listen speeches by Taqi Usmani Sahab,molana tariq jamil sahab then you wouldn’t find any such matter at all. So for instance if there was some offensive statment by the founder then his successors didn’t follow at all which refutes the shallow claims that Deobandis preach blasphemy.
On other hand, if you make a bit research then every imam of qadyanis after mirza ghulam ahmad followed what said by their first Imam that is they deny prophethood, they deny Lifting of Jesus[as] which is mentioned in Quran as well and claim that He[As] rests somewhere in Kashmir, where? they don’t know themselves. It was preached by every other Qadyani Imam whether it was done by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad or by Mirza Tahir. Offcourse they were following what they were preached.
IMO, it’s very shitty stunt by Kokab Sahab to prove himself holier than deobandis. When people like Kokab sahab makes such statments then secular,liberal or other anti-Islam forces find an excuse to curse Mullahs because for them such people are molvis as well which results the cursing of entire community, not only by non-muslims but by our muslim bros and sisters as well who innocently and ignorant follow what they are “preached* by west.
May Allah give us courage to make different between good and evil-Ameen.
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April 12th, 2007 at 10:29 am
I mean thats very disturbing. There are enough issues faced by Muslims, and we certainly dont need yet another theatrics by socalled scholars.
April 14th, 2007 at 1:19 am
let these stupidkokab brand of mullahs collect dust, the ummah has to reject them to gain unity. otherwise daastaan bhi na ho gi daastaanon main.
April 14th, 2007 at 1:48 am
Salamalikum,
I read this post and above where you mentioned about you suspending your blogging days. About this: From Raza Khan Bralvi, who issued a takfiry fatwa of Deobandis, to today Bralvi make takfir of Deobandis. So, this is not new and is a bogus claim. I didn’t know you belonged to Bralvi school because what I read from you didn’t seem consistent with one. You sounded more Deobandi to me. In fact, the very first opinion of you that I had was that you were ahl-e-hadith because you don’t believe in blind following, etc. I hope you don’t believe that Rasoolillah (saw) was a noor and not a bashar, in milad, urs, pir/mureed bid’aat. A shair I read in a book called “Sunnat aur bid’at ki kashmakash”(really a booklet) of Mahirul Qadiri, who was a diehard bralvi and considered the greatest milad khuwan of his time before he repented and took ideas that can fall somewhere between Deobandis who still believe in sufism and ahl-e-hadith, who don’t:
haqiqat rawayaat may kho gayee
ya ummat kharafaat may kho gayee
I hope you don’t mind what I wrote above. On to your post about suspending your blogging: I know it’s not an easy thing to blog but I think gaining knowledge is a far better option until a person can despense knowledge without affecting his/her own learning of Islam. I saw the partial list of books you bought from Dar-us-salam. I’ve read a couple like Gems and Jewels, but I didn’t read in English. Is this book al-lulu wal-marjaan? If so, I think the description is a bit off. The book is a collection of mutafiqqan aleayh ahadeeth (ahadeeth found both in saheeh al-bukhair and muslim), and nothing else. Secondly, I think the director of dar-us-salam is Abdul Malik Mujahid. Thirdly, you might know that there’s a branch of dar-us-salam right behind the main Tariq Road shopping center [ph.#: 4393936]. So, if you need more books you can get it from there.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Very good work Adnan. Really shame for this person to make such arguments. And what about such things: http://www.dawateislami.net/services/askimam/urdu/viewdetail.aspx?qid=10&scatid=0
April 14th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Another thing i want to add. Many hadeeth predict the re-arrival of Hazrat Issa (AS) near the end times. His arrival will also not negate the khatam-ul-nabieen status of The Prophet (PBUH). Makes sense with point number 2.
baaqi Allah bahtar jaanta hai.
April 15th, 2007 at 4:24 am
Walikum Salam Ibrahaim,glad to see you here.
Frankly speaking I myself was not aware 6 months ago tht I was barelvi unless I explictly asked my parents about it. You may laugh on it or considered me an ignorant but frankly speaking I never went for any secterian things within Islam. I remmber there was a time when I disliked the idea of Fiqhs etc and I didn’t consider them good that why am I hanafi etc,specially after reading hadiths about 72 sects. Later when I read all 4 Imams then I found that there was no conflict between them and all fitna started by their followers. NOne of 4 imams,from Abu Hanifa[RA] to Imam Hanbal[RA] said one point that is Reject our verdict if its against Hadith and this is the core teaching by all of them.
I remember it was me who never liked Sufis and had a perception that most of sufis I see today are drug addicts. Later I read about Junaid Baghdadi[RA],Data Ganjg Bakhs[RA],Nizumuddin[RA] etc etc and found them the most beautiful people after my prophet[SAW] and His companions[RA].
I am not a born religiously aware person and I started taking seriously after 2003 Iraq war due to online chatting with several non-muslims americans. They used to ask me questions and I was like a dumb freak. Thanks to Mr.Bush,his war on terror made me to start reading Islam. Whatever I know a little bit is all due to my recent study about Islam. I had rather thought few months ago to start a seprate blog about my Understanding about Allah,Islam and religion etc which I couldn’t share in my current blog which is not specific to religion only. Due to time constraints I have dropped the idea and most prolly if I ever start bloggin again then I would prefer to share my personal understanding about Islam rather picking general events happening around me.
Yes I used to sound deobandis but that’s not intentional ,as I said I don’t believe in factions within Islam. I rather prefer to follow the orignal islam so it doesn’t matter me it is synch with Deobandis or someone else. I rather like to be name as a Muslim rather a deobandi or barelvi.
the very first opinion of you that I had was that you were ahl-e-hadith because you don’t believe in blind following, etc
IMO, people of Ahle-e-Hadith are more blind followers than anyone else. What I mean that In Quran Allah mentioned clearly to understand what you practise. Didn’t Quran say so many times There are signs of Wisdom for those who can understand? The order itself is enough proof that Allah asks us to use our brain rather follow someone just because He/She is very respectable. Why didn’t Allah just order to believe in HIM no matter what? Surah Rahman is the biggest example ALlah pursue us to SEE THE THINGS AROUND US and find HIM in them. I also believe in same logic,this is why You don’t read me as a typical Barelvi follower.
No Bro Ibrahim I didn’t mind at all and I do agree things you mentioned. Yes I know local darussalam branch but I discovered it very recently. Yes Mujahid Sahab is his main person. The Gems and Jewls is Laula WalMarjan.
Thanks for your reply and keep in touch.
April 15th, 2007 at 4:25 am
@Aaloo: very valid point about the return of Hazrat Eesa[AS]. He’s a Nabi but definately not the last Prophet[SAW]. Very very valid point. Pretty sad that Kokab sahab had no idea about it.
April 15th, 2007 at 4:26 am
@SajidIQbal: Afsos k hum bus dua he karsakta hain k Allah unhay Hidyat day aur humay bhee.
June 27th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Mr Adnan how can u say the page u Scanned above is taken from the Qasim Nano Tavi book?
you defend This Qasim Nanotavi Statemt and Blame Molana Kokub Sahib that he Collects Chanda. What about deobandies do u know what they do?
U deobandi people Dont like Khatam shreef
but u people wana eat in Khatm Shrif?
Man what about other Deoband Ulmmas stamement
MOLNA MUHAMMAD HUSSAIN TANDI.
MOLANA ABDULRASHEED GHANGOHI( WHO SAID HER MUSLMAAN KHAT MUNABEEIN HO SAKTA HAI)
MOLANA ISMAIEL DAHLVI( HIS BOOK MANSBE_IMAMAT)
MOLANA BULKALAM AZAAD.
molana qasim anotavi are not the folower of Islam
and i ave debate with many deobandi and ther are not in fever of pakistan.
another thing u people want tableeg only muslims y u people dont go for qadianies?
whe i asked y u dont gor for wadiani thay said Allaha will finish them?
Tell me if u people belive Alhha will finish them and defend islam from them Y u dont belive ALLHA will guide other to go for ISLAM?
where u feel comfort u choose taht place in hard u belive Alaha will do every thing
U wana drink PEPSI SHEZANN SPRITE etc for others ur choos Water
(gramatical mistakes)
June 28th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
U know what? I belong to barelvi family but never followed lame stuff in barelvis.
There is no such thing like Kahtam Sharif etc. Can you give example of Hadith or any account in which Sahabas(RA) did what barelvis do in name of Islam?
as far as the page showed by Kaukab, if you cant even grasp the video then you must be willing to remain as ignorant.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:34 am
Sir one person who belong to the Bralvi maslak he tell me a lot of against of Deobandi please give me some thing which i stop his tonge.