Calm down Shabana!
Ok Shabana It’s true that you’re one of my favorite artist and I can’t forget your classical performances in Arth, Masoom and God mother but such love for your work doesn’t force me to agree each and everything come out of your mouth.
Recently shabana made an statment that in Quran there is no instances of covering face and they are free to keep their faces uncovered. Ok another liberal comes up to preach and educate about Islam. Believe me It’s not anyone’s fault that you didn’t ever read the 59th Verse of Surah Ahzab.
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful(Quran 33:59)
Let’s give you a benefit of doubt that you just forget the above verse and you just had following verse in mind:
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband’s fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss.(Quran 24:31)
did you even the follow the above verse and just kept your body and head covered that you are lecturing millions of muslim women and men about what Islam says and what doesn’t? You don’t LOOK nice when you talk about something which you don’t follow. Did you even cover your head you hypocrite woman?. I am not surprised by your hypocritic attitude since I know that your husband Jawed Akhter,your dad Kaifi Azmi and your In-law Janisar Akhter all belong to left wing liberal Indian commuity . I can figure out that like Feroz you are looking for asherward of Hindu community specially extreemist party like BJP but I wish I could please you by saying that Hijab is only Islamic product while in reality all abrahamic faiths + Hindu books like Vedas and Gita preach about Hijab.
Shabana, I consider you a learned woman and more graceful than Feroz Khan. When people like you maek such absurd statments then I get preplexed that how one consider you DIFFERENT than those who are cursed by labeling as Mullahas? You are certainly not different those narrow-minded psuedo scholars. Please shabana If you have nothing worthy to do in life then commit sucide but stop making such moronic statments, can YOU?
Update: I just found another verse which is relevent to order of pardah was given to wives of the Prophet(SAW)
O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet’s houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah’s Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah’s sight an enormity.
Asma in comments sections referred another verse of Surah Ahzab about women manners:
O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech(Quran 33:32).
I thank Asma, also Fahd to allow me to explain one of the verse further and clarify the message which I wanted to convey via this entry.
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November 7th, 2006 at 12:35 am
Hmmm … well above verse is 33:59 … But I guess you mistakenly typed in wrond reference for second ayah … that one is from Surah e An-Nuur … it’s 31st and 32nd ayah refers to Pardah …!
November 7th, 2006 at 4:34 am
Calm down Adnan.
You wrote:
Recently shabana made an statment that in Quran there is no instances of covering face and they are free to keep their faces uncovered. Ok another liberal comes up to preach and educate about Islam. Believe me It’s not anyone’s fault that you didn’t ever read the 59th Verse of Surah Ahzab.
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful(Quran 33:59)
I can’t find the word “face” in your translation. Can you? Where is “face” mentioned in this verse?
November 7th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
fahad, I am pretty calm down.
I was just seeing the arabic terms and respective english translation, in the arabic ayah , they have translated as “apni chadrain neechi karlia karain and here I believe chadar means “ORHNI” or “GHOONGAT” but since I myself is not sure for arabic so I would a bit hesitaant to accept the urdu translation. In english they used “Cloak” which is referred as a “wrapping garment” and a garment could be wrapped as ghonghat or as a n overcoat.
In any case, shabana is not following any of mentioned verse or other verses so a person doesn’t himself/herself act upon something and preach to others doesn’t sound credible anyway. Will you or someone say that shabana does follow any of the mentioned verse, even covering HEAD only? I guess there will be a negative answer.
@Asma thanks, i just noticed i mentioned incorrect verse numbers. Thanks to mention other two verses which are also related with women. I will soon make update to the post for correction.
Thanks to both of you to make a microscpic inspection of my post. It sounds good that people take notice of word by word, chracter by character.
November 7th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Adnan wrote: “fahad, I am pretty calm down.”
Ok.:)
“I was just seeing the arabic terms and respective english translation, in the arabic ayah , they have translated as “apni chadrain neechi karlia karain and here I believe chadar means “ORHNI” or “GHOONGAT” but since I myself is not sure for arabic so I would a bit hesitaant to accept the urdu translation. In english they used “Cloak” which is referred as a “wrapping garment” and a garment could be wrapped as ghonghat or as a n overcoat.”
The word which has been translated as “cloak/outer garments” is “khumur” which means “covers”. And the word which has been translated as “persons”, is actually “juyub” which literally means “pockets”. It is the plural of “jayb”, which is also used in urdu.
So the word “face” is not there. The Quran does not command women to cover their faces.
“In any case, shabana is not following any of mentioned verse or other verses so a person doesn’t himself/herself act upon something and preach to others doesn’t sound credible anyway. Will you or someone say that shabana does follow any of the mentioned verse, even covering HEAD only? I guess there will be a negative answer.”
I can’t say anything about Shabana. I haven’t even watched “God-mother”.
“Thanks to both of you to make a microscpic inspection of my post. It sounds good that people take notice of word by word, chracter by character.”
You are welcome
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I will also ask you and others to watch these lectures about Hijab/Veil, which gives a more Quranic understanding of the Hijab and Khumur.
In Urdu: http://www.the-quran.org/lectures/urdu/hijab/hijaaburdu.htm
In English: http://www.the-quran.org/lectures/hijab/hijabeng.htm
November 9th, 2006 at 8:37 pm
ok, Adnan. I commend ur view point.
The problem is, when other high forms of literature is taken into view, people would take the indication and understand what is being said. But when it comes to the Quran, they have an issue with ‘words’. The word “face” as in ‘face’ is not there, however, to say that women should put cover ‘over/above’ themselves (Note: Arabic word = “Alaa” = “Ooper” in Urdu) conveys the message to those who WANT to see it. But those who want to find leeways would NEVER stop hankering after words only. Let ‘em alone.
I also commend ur super job of MSN bot!! GREAT GOING!!!!!!!
November 9th, 2006 at 9:45 pm
Adnan, I would like to point out an obvious mistake in a part of my comment, that I confused verse 33:59 with 24:31.
My comments on “khumur” and “juyub”
in comment #4 are about verse 24:31, not 33:59.
You should also do microscopic inspection of my post!